[Info-Ingres] Ingres Janitors

[Roy Hann]

"Mark R. Winston" <winstonmr at datavailable.com> wrote in message 
news:mailman.35.1193704658.18164.info-ingres at kettleriverconsulting.com...
>
> I think that anyone who considers themselves even half-way decent with
> INGRES, whether it be the DBMS, ABF (and Co.), and/or OpenROAD, has had
> "offline help from quite a few people."  The problem is that I think the
> information winds up being repeated, repeatedly :), by a select few who
> have plenty of generosity (and thanks for that) but barely any time to
> tackle their own interests, let alone formulate their ideas into a
> knowledge base, or the like.

This concept is easy to pursue and I've recently posted about it.  The wiki 
is there and because it is a wiki we don't need any say-so from anyone about 
our contributions.  Mike Sale has asked that anyone interested contact him 
to be put on the list of contributors.  I take his word that this is a 
temporary situation pending the setting up of a proper anti-spammer 
handshaking process.  If you don't want to contact 
Michael.Sale at you-know-where, contact me at rhann at rationalcommerce dot com 
and I will pass on the request.

> Your (our) dilemma is larger than just a repository, and you've
> articulated it nicely with a specific example, but I wonder if we could
> host the INGRES project on SourceForge?  We'd be putting the released
> source tree on SourceForge and then referencing changes against that
> tree, which is public.  You'll notice that INGRES *is* actually hosted
> on SourceForge, and yet it has *0* files in the CVS :(
>
> These <http://sourceforge.net/projects/webmin-ingres/>
> <http://sourceforge.net/projects/ivdw/>
> <http://sourceforge.net/projects/ingres-bind/> are interesting, and
> useful, INGRES projects, which all appear to be driven by the same
> primary person, Hervé Leclerc (and Jean-Pierre Zuate for the "Ingres
> Visual DBA Web" project).  Jean-Pierre's name I recognize from this
> group, but not Hervé.
>
> Do these guys have the "secret files" or are they just incredibly
> enterprising? :)
>
>> It comes down to how best to get fixes and additions into the code
>> stream. [snip]

Emma McGrattan's current blog (http://blogs.ingres.com/emmamcgrattan) is 
agitating for more community development.  I don't think there's any divide 
here.  The priorities and the resources and the enthusiasms may not all have 
come to together on the first attempt (or even the first few), but I don't 
think anyone is opposing community projects in any way.  My instinct is that 
it is just a matter of organizing to get it done.  As I have said, I am 
asking the IUA to take more of a role in this.  (Feel free to use 
comp.databases.ingres or info-ingres to communicate with me on this subject; 
that is what it is for.)

[snip]
> Karl or Roy deem Bug Y both worthy of effort and within our current
> skill bounds [...]

Karl for sure, if he wants to be involved.  But I am not qualified (or 
indeed interested) in the source code.  My interests are somewhere else 
entirely.

And remember, Karl is a relative late-comer.  There are lots of other people 
who can (and occasionally do) help out.  It would be great to hear from them 
more, and from some of their even more shy colleagues.

Roy